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Jun 25, 2020 10:11 AM

//UPDATE:  July 10, 2020, I am now unbanned from forum.  The ban was not permanent and only temporary to give everyone  a chance
to calm down, I think the admin finally understood that the accusations against me by a mod are unfounded and untrue, YET they still stand by and support all their mods.  Nonetheless, I may have gone over the top by feeding the troll, but he got what he deserved IMO.

Let's just say I'm not ready to start posting there again, but will eventually, after a few days quiet time.

This topic can be locked now - as issue is resolved - But my opinion stands - I do not think Valerie should be moderating the forums, she has been rude and made unfounded accusations and diagnosis online against many members she doesn't even know, but oh well, they stand by her, so be it, moving forward if anybody personally attacks me I know who to report to directly - direct confrontation on forum won't be an option, because then I am the bad guy and the BULLIES become the victim, I should have known better, been there before, and it cost me a 4 figure a month freelance job, even though I did nothing wrong and was fired abusively on retribution for reporting bad behaviour of an official staff.  She should stay as a member as she makes for good discussions sometimes, but not modding, she is too biased.

I have edited out the long text, to make a long story short, a user called Tasman1 has started trouble on forum by claiming that if he ran the site he would ban me for the words scam and cheating, which I used but I edited the topic before anybody posted there, I called him out by telling him to shut up and that he was a hypocrite, because he has disparaged, insulted and used vulgar language in many of his topics, as evidence I posted a topic with screenshot AND direct links to his post with his bad manners, and no mod or anybody warned him, so I did not appreciate being given lectures by a hypocrite, which he is:  Here is the evidence against him:
http://forum.ysense.com/258308/Exposing_Tasman1_he_berated_me,_I_defend_myself!

Unfortunately I was pushed over the edge, I called a hypocrite, and a tosser, I mean like I said I attack when I am attacked first, but apparently it's frowned upon, the BULLIES become victims when the person they attack defend themselves, of course Valerie, his friend, and biased moderator got involved and reported topic, got me banned, but the ban was temporary luckily, but her accusations against me are untrue and for that I should sue under the false light tort. Something I may consider eventually, I just don't want trouble with the site I am earning from, the only one, and if I have issues with her I will take them with her directly, without involving ysense.

If people want to lecture me, they better have a clean record, but nobody should EVER call me out on my posts, when they have done 100x worse, because what I will do is call the person out and post evidence of their bad manners in the open, I'm very good at digging dirt.

I've edited out the long details from the post and posted only the essence.
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Reply #1: Jun 25, 2020 10:54 AM

Hi,

Sorry for your bad experience and banning from forum. I am not using ySense and i can't say anything about this situation.
But want to say something about this unpaid surveys thing.

I am managing kind of offerwall weighted PTC site similar like ySense and we are also working with Offerwalls and Survey Routers. For real, this is not about the site, because same thing happens on our users too. Some members completing survey, even they are taking picture about that. But we are not getting any completed survey information or payment for this. So, we are not able to credit our member if we not get payment from the survey router. I mean, its probably not about the ySense, this thing happens on other sites too.
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Reply #2: Jun 25, 2020 11:11 AM

Hi,

Sorry for your bad experience and banning from forum. I am not using ySense and i can't say anything about this situation.
But want to say something about this unpaid surveys thing.

I am managing kind of offerwall weighted PTC site similar like ySense and we are also working with Offerwalls and Survey Routers. For real, this is not about the site, because same thing happens on our users too. Some members completing survey, even they are taking picture about that. But we are not getting any completed survey information or payment for this. So, we are not able to credit our member if we not get payment from the survey router. I mean, its probably not about the ySense, this thing happens on other sites too.

I agree, sometimes there are issues with routers / external issues, I will never blame a site for something that is not their fault.  I've been in this for a very long time, in the industry where payments by check was the only payment method so I know how this all works.  I provided evidence there to show that my specific case was an issue with ySense NOT the router, and this guy starts attacking me.
I completed an 87 cent survey on YourSurveys router, when you complete a survey there and it confirms, your quality score goes up +1 and the entry gets added in their history, they then send a signal back to affiliate site, I should get paid then like I always have, but this time not, on ySense in my history it shows as "Clicked" !!!   I have contacted YourSurveys in the past and they confirmed to me that there are no issues on their side, that if a survey tracks and completes properly, score goes up +1.  If the survey did not track for some reason or the credit is delayed, the score remains the same.  So in my specific case, I was trying to explain that router was working fine, it is an issue back to ySense ! 

Yes there are times when routers do not track or survey publishers cheat and don't use the right callbacks, but this was not the case.
I felt cheated of my time, and this is not the first time it happened.

Besides, regardless of who's at fault, it is the responsibility of the site owner to work with their partners should there be recurrent issues with member payments, the site owner IS responsible.  The legal binding contract of a promised incentive for service rendered is between the member AND site owner, and not the site owner's 3rd party providers, so the site owner is responsible.  It is understandable that a site owner cannot pay members if they do not get paid, BUT it's up to the site owner to demand those funds from their providers, if a member is able to produce valid evidence, REGARDLESS of who's fault it is.  If there are issues with payments, no site should allow offer walls, routers, providers to be "live" and should pause them instead until issues are resolved.

I'm sorry to say but ySense knew that Toluna had issues on their end, despite that they left Toluna router running for months, whilst users complained of not getting paid, without ANY communication until MONTHS later after the fact.   I mean eventually these missing credits got paid, but a site owner should always communicate with his/her members, and if a member is able to produce valid evidence tracing back to a survey completion, then that member should be paid as per the agreement legally binding, if not by the site owner, it should be covered by the router / external provider.  If there are so many issues that many users are complaining all the time, then site owners should work with their partners instead of leaving members in the cold. :/

Site owners though should be liable to pay members without valid proof though, I will never dispute that, I am only talking about the cases where there is sufficient and valid proof.  Site owners should then transmit this proof back to the provider, who should cover the costs and pay up !!!!   These providers SHOULD set aside a provision for such events, they already are paying ridiculously low for those offers and surveys to begin with, their margin of profits is very high, they make hundreds of millions of $ YTY out of those leads, money generated from ads and survey completion, you'd think they would have the decency to own up.

But anyhow this topic is about ySense and a two faced, evil member who caused me to be banned.

I would gladly discuss with you the industry in another appropriate thread.

I know that site owners have to go through a lot of headaches running GPTs, as you must also deal with cheating and scamming members who try to cheat your providers.   Sadly, the cheating goes both ways, and I would go as far as saying there are probably more members out there cheating site owners than there are site owners cheating members Smiley

I would also like to add to my initial post that Valerie is NOT FIT to be a moderator of ySense, she has continuously over the years been involved in confrontations with members, harsh words, being biased towards specific members, in fact on ClixSense Jim has received so many complaints of bad conduct.  I once did an extensive search over the years about her conduct in the past, she even got into huge fights with other members on the forum, in public, not a good example to set for others, I have called her out a few times showing her past posts, to which she deleted the links and screenshots I posted.  I'm sure many members who have had confrontations with her can attest to this, some members are disparaging the site, using inappropriate language, and she leaves the topics intact and doe snot warn the members, YET when specific members she hates or has a bias against do something she is quick to lock topics and go on the attack and threats.  Given her actions and conduct during specific years, it is beyond me why Jim kept her - no site would have put up with her.  She makes false accusations and lies about members, like she did with me yesterday........The fact that ySense is keeping both Valerie and Tasman1 shows how biased the site is.  Valerie has accused me of being the one who has gotten away with the MOST on the forum, yet the same can apply to her through some of her conduct in the past on CS and confrontations with members.  I have even proven in a post I dug of her bashing the site, even used the "cheated" word, she is a hypocrite too, but of course no matter what she does or says, she is protected and needed, why because probably no other moderators wold want to work for free :/  Jim should have gotten rid of her a long time ago, whilst she is fun to debate with and have good conversations, I honestly do not see her fit as a mod.  Instead of diffusing a situation and being impartial, she sides with usually a person instigating trouble, and makes matters worse.

It's true that she has been too lenient on a lot of stuff BUT she reached new lows with some of her accusations and inflammatory replies, and over the years she has acted in a way that is NOT in line with a moderator, despite so many complaints by ClixSense members.
IN fact, if I recall she even was relieved of her mod duties for a while, either that or she left on her own.........why on earth did she come back ?  She likes to have authority and control over others, ProadCo called her out many times on that and I agree, she is an evil person ready to destroy your reputation twisting everything out of context to make you look bad, as she did with me yesterday.......

Any community manager or mod should be impartial and try to calmly diffuse a situation instead of attacking members on either side.
Valerie is defended and protected by the admins AND by her colleagues.

When I joined CS in late 2011, I immediately noticed the negative vibe coming out of her, she made me feel very unwelcome and I called her out a few times in the beginning for her harsh way of responding, other members noticed that, I could dig those posts from way back in the early years IF they are still there...

Valerie, if you want to accuse me of stuff, you have on some occasions behaved very badly for a moderator, often lowering yourself to other members behaviours, name calling, making diagnosis on mental issues, etc, stuff even Rod called you out for......posts are there, truth is, you should not be a moderator of that site - you enforce rules, but you should follow them too, one of them being etiquette, no matter how a member is in the wrong, mods should always maintain professionalism, something lacking on ySense by that specific moderator.

and her defending Tasman1 who has engaged in inappropriate language is simply appalling, it's unbelievable, of course Tasman1 provides her the entertainment and laughs, so he is immune from anything.

To Mark the admin - I apologise this guy pushed me to extreme,
To Valerie' I apologise for using the term "gd", tough my colleague has used worse terms
To Tasman1 (...removed part, pending probably legal action and punitive damages).


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Reply #3: Jun 29, 2020 02:13 PM

That forum is dead.  Be worse without you as you one people visited the forum for.
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Reply #4: Jun 29, 2020 07:24 PM

That forum is dead.  Be worse without you as you one people visited the forum for.

*removed*  I managed to have a polite and calm discussion with the admin, the ban was just to calm things down, was not permanent.  I am unabnned now, but will not be posting right away, will take a few days off, then will be back posting - or may be back sooner, my gosh the forum is boring, even Mr. Know it all Tasman1 posts much less now, this two faced individual who got me banned in the first place probably knows that I was his number one audience to his SILLY but sometimes highly twisted badly entertaining posts, as I was the one to often reply to them first, so yeah anyhow we reached a mutual agreement, and any direct conflicts with members in the future will be addressed appropriately through the appropriate channel.
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Reply #5: Jul 03, 2020 11:48 AM

And here i came to open a thread about Ysense lol
That sucks man, hope you get it sorted
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Reply #6: Jul 03, 2020 05:57 PM

And here i came to open a thread about Ysense lol
That sucks man, hope you get it sorted

This Tasman1 guy is trouble, he can't be serious AT ALL - everything is a JOKE to him, I get banned because I got in a confrontation with him (he deserved it) YET he is allowed to cuss, use inappropriate words, insult sponsors, partners, etc.   Good job Valerie. Another member there agreed with me about Valerie, he said that even Jim told him that he had issues with her and lot of complaints, so why the HELL did he put up with her, she should have been BANNED ages ago ever since her public fight with other moderators - I am very disappointed in her and the admin there, I've never been in confrontations with other members there or any forum unless I was attacked first........I invited them to show me my posts where I have ABUSED other members as she claims.  Right now I cannot do much, it is my only income for now, I do not want to create more trouble and risk my account.  I just hope people stop interacting with Tasman1, and check out all the screenshots I posted of his behaviour, and how Valerie not once warned him !

P.S. Don't give up on ySense though, you never know when things can pick up, BUT some advice I can give you:

* Don't rely on referrals - People want get rich quick schemes, HYIP, scams, etc.
* Don't bother with offers, they suck, they are low paid garbage and most are malware, misleading, and scam.
* The best earning potential there and on GPT in general is surveys and tasks, though tasks suck lately big grin
* If you have a college degree or specific skills you might be able to get some hourly work through Appen

//UPDATE: July 10, things were sorted out, I am back.

I guess I keep learning the hard lessons in life, don't trust ANYBODY, even the people you trust the most in life end up stabbing you in the back.
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Reply #7: Jul 04, 2020 06:58 PM

Darkstar, im from Portugal, i do not have surveys like that.
Plus, i make more money in the same time with Amazon-affiliated marketing than by doing the few surveys i have available. (and i mean this literally)
And you must be out of your mind if you think i am doing "tasks"  der
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Reply #8: Jul 06, 2020 07:57 PM

Darkstar, im from Portugal, i do not have surveys like that.
Plus, i make more money in the same time with Amazon-affiliated marketing than by doing the few surveys i have available. (and i mean this literally)
And you must be out of your mind if you think i am doing "tasks"  der

LOL I didn't think so, don't waste your time with tasks - Though it's funny for me to say this because half of my $16k earnings are from tasks, BUT.....from the old days when there were good tasks, trust me, I was earning 2 digits DAILY and consistently from tasks alone, with minimal effort. Once in a very rare occasion I might hit a good task.  In October 2019, I was recruited to work on a very high paid task, $20/hour worth, task was short lived, but that month I was able to earn over $50+ in one single day for only few hours (2) on a great high paying task, there were 3 days like that in that month where I earned over $50 in one day on ySense, but sadly now with tasks it is mostly garbage and unfair crap, but in the old days I was able to work on daily recurring tasks that earned me 2 digits, if not for tasks, I would never have been able to earn consistently $300-$500 a month back then.  Now the most I earn from stupid tasks are 12 cents a day if lucky  laugh

Yeah for Portugal unfortunately not much surveys - though on ySense the 2 biggest earners are surveys and tasks, if you don't have any of those, then you must rely on referrals - good luck finding active refs who are willing to go through garbage tasks and 99% screenouts big grin
And don't even get me started on Offers, plagued with scams, malware ridden download bullshit offers, credit card, casino / gambling offers, and mostly non free offers, offers requiring a purchase.

As far as affiliate marketing, this is not for everybody.

From what I heard, the GPT industry as a whole is declining -Some of the good routers have shut down, less publishers, less advertisers, less market research, an exponential growth in sign-ups, more people joining these sites looking for work, creating very unhealthy dilution and ratio of offer to demand.  There are too many new members and little work, the ratio is very unhealthy - it is causing a dilution in work available and pay rates.  Many routers are exploiting their traffic by lowering the pay rate due to the high demand, to cut the cost per lead.  Things are going to get worse and worse for GPT.  When I started in the industry, surveys were paid several DOLLARS, it was a standard to get paid MINIMUM $5.  Some surveys paid $10, $20, and I am talking consumer surveys.  Focus groups paid $50-$75 per 1 ~ 1/2 hour session.  Now surveys pay CENTS........it's disgusting, and they require the same QUALITY and INTEGRITY for 1/10th of the pay.

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Reply #9: Jul 07, 2020 01:16 AM

I stopped visiting forum as most topics started by him and full of non-sense.
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Reply #10: Jul 07, 2020 10:38 AM

I stopped visiting forum as most topics started by him and full of non-sense.

Guess people don't care that he has a foul mouth, cusses, uses inappropriate words in his topics and messages as I shown evidence of, but the moment I say something, I get attacked from all sides, I guess he is immune from breaking rules, using profanity, insulting sponsors and partners, etc, like I said the POISON there is Valerie, just as much as she was on ClixSense, only I wonder why the hell Jim put up with her, I guess he is too soft and didn't want to disappoint anybody, but many members were offended by this shallow person.  One thing I do not appreciate false accusations, I should sue Valerie.  If anybody thinks I spend my time abusing and INSULTING other members, tell me so and show me my posts, because that is not true - I do voice my complaints often and frustrations but they are against the respective topics and situations - I never get personal with another member unless they have attacked me first, and when I am in a position where I defend myself.   But Valerie had to make an excuse because she knows she has ALL the power there, she had to make up some bullshit to get me banned and silence me, so she can have full reign and control and now all the members there are acting all nice and saints now, because they are scared to be banned like me, exactly what Valerie was after, she wants to reign supreme.  They have quite a tyranny running there and a dictatorship, if a mod does not like you or does not share your opinion watch your back, she will plea with admins how bad you are and how much you should be banned.

I personally know some active members over the years who had lot of referrals who left because of Valerie - but like Tasman1, she also is immune !!!!  I would like to see that TWO FACED Tasman1 act the same way on Neobux, no moderator or admin would put up with his bullsh*t, he would not only be banned from forum but site.

It's a shame because I got along fine with him, he was not my enemy, up until the time he became a hypocrite and told me off.  I own up to my mistakes but I don't go around giving others grief on things I have done myself.  He has called me out on choice words, yet he has done the same and WORSE, I won't take that sh*t from anybody.

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Reply #11: Jul 07, 2020 03:29 PM

I barely ever visited their forum, i had no idea it was like that lol
And look at me, JJ, Darkstar posting on the same thread... this is old school right here  rofl rofl
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Reply #12: Jul 07, 2020 08:24 PM

I barely ever visited their forum, i had no idea it was like that lol
And look at me, JJ, Darkstar posting on the same thread... this is old school right here  rofl rofl

yeah - Nothing much has changed here - I am shocked that people are still being scammed by bux sites and other, it looks like the scam industry is going strong  - big grin  Some things never change.

Oh speaking of old school, there's missing that Ramen noodles guy what's his name, the now rich millionaire  laugh

Anyhow about the unfair treatment on ySense I wrote directly to the admin who banned me, I got his e-mail through one of his promo e-mails sent to myself and many some months ago..........and obviously no reply yet.  Like I said, I wish Jim has gotten rid of the TYRANT there a long time ago.  They should rename the forum to the "Valerie and Tasman1 show", there's nobody there anymore to start IMPORTANT topics, nope, only some geezer writing rubbish 24/7 and turning every serious situation into a joke.  then you have some bunch of two faced hypocrites REPORTING posts of people calling site scam or complaining, YET they do it every topic they write.   


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Reply #13: Jul 08, 2020 04:48 AM

Yeah, power of old school ems
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Reply #14: Jul 08, 2020 07:15 AM

In all honesty, most of the forums from PTC sites are not that great, not even a place where you can learn anything, so my advice:
Make the most you can out of the site and ignore the forum big grin

And who is that Ramen noodles guy you talk, Darkstar?
I cant remember lol

Yeah, power of old school ems
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