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Reply #255: Apr 10, 2011 08:45 AM

Keep dreaming  Lips Sealed
why not to give him a chance?
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Reply #256: Apr 10, 2011 03:18 PM

I crucified Bux4real on my blog.. seems to be doing a bit better in the last 2 days. I might start promoting in 3 days
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Reply #257: Apr 10, 2011 08:33 PM

why not to give him a chance?

Another one? Lol

1) He have lied since the begginning

2) He have no f***ing idea what he is doing or what is a PTC site and/or what is necessary to run one

3) He is gone for days

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Reply #258: Apr 12, 2011 12:41 PM

Is he ever annouced bux4real on his twitter ?

http://twitter.com/realtonyrocha

i have strong doubt that this guy have collected avatar of Tony Rocha and playing with it. And Today suddenly his wife got serious .. I hope best for her if the story is really true. But we have saw these kind of storys since 2007.

PTC Most of the time not only made people sick even some people got killed or died and users know that whenever Admin / owner feels that he have started a wrong business module which is called as PTC and specially BUX

That was one of the first things I checked:
http://twitter.com/RealTonyRocha/favorites

But yeah you are right about the stories.  When scam sites go down you hear almost any kind of story imaginable to make the admin look good and make naive people believe their story and not be mad/file disputes.  Like when people say they don't have time to work on the site anymore or are having personal problems and need time off, but then launch a new site the next day.  Or they are having technical difficulties and the site will be back up "soon" they are working 24/7 and very stressed about it and losing their health over it!  But the site never comes back up.  These kinds of stories are predictable, which is why red flags should go up as soon as there's any kind of "problems".

You never know, any one of these situations could actually be true, but more of then then not, it's just a coverup for the scam.
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Reply #259: Apr 13, 2011 07:50 AM


Is Casetronyx an international company  der  big grin



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Reply #260: Apr 13, 2011 12:15 PM

This is where I dug them up:

https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?FilingNum=2010-000589468
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Reply #261: Apr 16, 2011 12:11 PM

Among a vast majority of unrelated, repeated and offensive posts I've been receiving, I found one that was properly formulated with questions that deserve a detailed reply.
Here is the post:

Hello Tony,

I have read all your comments you have posted here and really appreciate the time you have taken out to explain everything. Its nice to see a PTC owner not concealing his identity.
I have a few of questions for you and it would be nice if you can answer it here.

Firstly, why did you open a "BUX" site knowing that the fail rate of a "bux" site is 100%. No "bux" site has managed to sustain itself and pay ALL its members on time (as promised by them) for over a year except for NeoBux. NeoBux ran successfully for close to 3 years but eventually had to succumb to meet the daily cashouts (which were over $200,000 daily) and transformed itself into a hybrid which was the right move for both - the site and its members. You can see the current state of OnBux - people loved it during its initial 6 months and now can't bear the sight of it.

Secondly, your site says - "We have Fortune 500 company sponsors that need your input and are willing to pay greatly for your time!" Where are those advertisers? From day one I am only seeing Click-Bank products advertised on Bux4Real. Everyone knows those ads are self-sponsored since those are the same products advertised on all "bux" sites.

Thirdly, there is so much confusion about Bux4Real using a PTC Evolution script or PTCPay Gen4 script. Currently, its on the PTC Evo script but for a couple of days the site migrated to Gen4 and then back to PTC Evo. Now you mention that you will shift it back to Gen4.

My question is why didn't you hire a coder and get a fully customized script with all the necessary features/add-ons you wanted. All established sites in this industry (NeoBux, ClixSense, Wordlinx, LinkGrand, MatrixMails, Bux-Matrix, and the list goes on....) use their own custom scripts. Instead of awarding 40,000 members with a $10 Rental balance bonus (which comes up to $400,000), you could have hired a professional coder and got a Custom script for just a few thousand dollars.

Bux4Real has had a bad start but itís not how you begin but how you end. I don't mean the end of Bux4Real but how you will manage to come out of this turmoil. Wishing you all the best !!!!



And here is my reply and answers to all questions:


Thanks a lot for your questions and I'll reply all with a great pleasure. That's the kind of questions and interaction I expect from Forum members, at least the few ones I was used to participate.
So lets go one by one, If the space is not enough I'll reply using more than a post.

I made several mistakes and this is a clear fact, obvious to everyone. This was due of my lack of knowledge in the "Bux" industry. I'm a PPC and CPA entrepreneur and always faced Bux as a "smaller biz" or a "scam model" . It was until I noticed Neobux and decided to invest on a Bux site of my own. I have my own coders and designers, and I outsource sometimes. I could and should go with a custom made script, but supported by a wrong team (already fired) I went with Evo. A few days running under a DDOS attack followed by a Hackers attack were enough to show me that GeN4 is way more appropriate, so I bought the unencrypted version to have my coders customizing it. In the will to have it all solved fast, I made a new mistake: set an impossible time frame to migrate all system from Evo to GeN4. All was running fine until the last minutes when a lot of incompatibilities appeared. Not my coders fault at all, I can assure you. So my only choice was get back to Evo. The GeN4 was installed inside a folder (/ns/) to let me keep bux live and keep members in touch. It created a big mess to members and false accusations that I was running a "nulled" version of GeN4. This is not true at all and despite of the fact that I already posted all proofs here, I can even e-mail you all if you want. Would be a pleasure. I still have in mind to migrate Bux4Real to a highly customized Gen4 version, but in a very smoothly way, with no launch dates predictions. We are working on it with 2 coders and an engineer. I'll do that only if members will not need to change nothing they do now, if nobody will lost a single referral or cent and including the way they promote the site (That I'd prefer that didn't till I have all 100% stable). At last, before move to your second question, it seems that to use the word "Bux" was also a mistake. No need to say that it was a lot of mistakes to a seasoned Internet entrepreneur, but I did it, and now what I need to do is to fix it on the run. Gave up it's not an option for me.


Let's go to your second question.

I DO have Fortune 500 companies that are ready to be available to all members make money with. And of course everyday I spend without all those ads inside Bux4Real I'm losing money. Why? You know the answer. I fact of all problems I had no choice but use those useless CB ads. I was in need to give some to my now more than 40K members. I could not keep asking them to wait more and more. So I'm losing money as the only ones that will make money from those useless ads are the members. It's not their fault that I made so many silly mistakes, so I included a few CB ads to let them make money. For my big surprise I made a few sales. It was really a big surprise as I never could think that members of a Bux site would buy something advertised from CB. So again, Where are the so called ads I claimed? If all goes as it seems, they will be available by next Tuesday and all CB ads will go away. Will be only the clicked ones by now, still not the high earning ones, but will be a start, members will keep making money and I'll start making some as well. I have closed deals with several ad networks that granted me very special conditions, not granted to any other Bux site (so far as I'm aware), due the fact that I do business with them since several years, they know me, they always paid me on time and they know what I'm able to do and the money I'm able to generate for them. The high paying ones are being prepared, and I'll not set launch dates again, but my expectation is that it will be available in about 10 days, maximum. A last point abut clicked ads: I'll need to advertise other PTC and/or Bux sites. Not because I want, as I face it as the same if Honda would advertise Toyota, for example, but I have no choice as a few companies in this niche advertise with the networks I deal with, and they can't "exclude" them just for me. This is not a manual process, it's based on XML feed, so I simply can't advertise only the ones I want. The only "GPT" company I advertise is Clixsense, as the owner is a very good friend, a highly trusted person and we have some business deals including other web properties of him.

About the confusion of scripts being used and the custom script option, I suppose I replied in the first answer. But as I said, feel free to e-mail me or ask anything else you may want here.

It's really a shame, way more for me than to anybody else that we had that bad start. I'd not call it bad, I'd say "terrible" start. I hope you are right about your words that what matter is how it ends. If Bux4Real was my unique online business I'd be not only dead at this point (as a business) as also broke. Thanks God this is not the case. Also Thanks God the serious health problem with my wife due an allergic reaction to a silly cold medicine is gone and she is great again. I'd love to have all solved "today", but I can't make mistakes anymore. I lost the right to make mistakes for the next decade, I suppose...

One last point. It seems there's another confusion about Bux4real being a Brazilian or US based company. Bux4Real is a product of Casetronyx, Inc. , a US based company of my property. (If you research you'll see the name of Javier Elenes appearing as partner, a great guy and friend but not partner anymore, changing papers are in transit). I'm incorporated in Wyoming and offices in San Diego, CA. And I'm a Brazilian citizen, leaving part time in the US and part time in Brazil.

Once again, thanks a lot for the chance to clarify so many aspects, for your so kindly and professional way to argue me and for your wishes of success . From now on I'll do my best to control my mood, follow my Support Director advices and ignore unrelated posts and empty provocations. All professional and pertinent questions would be answered with a great pleasure.

Thanks a lot and have a great weekend,

Tony Rocha - CEO

Casetronyx, Inc.
8880 Rio San Diego Drive
Rio Vista Tower.
8th Floor Office 17
San Diego, CA 92108
Support: 1(800) 983-2613
Twitter: @RealTonyRocha (Verified Account)


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No offense, but I'm tired of replying nonsense questions and reading offenses. I decided to stop wasting my time with this.
I have way more to do than spend my time replying offenses or repeated questions.
If you think Bux4Real is a scam, if you don't believe in nothing, if you think DDOS and Hackers doesn't exist, if you think I want your money,
do yourself a favor and don't be a member of my site. I'm sorry but I'm really tired of this mess.


Thanks for reading.


Tony Rocha - CEO

Casetronyx, Inc.
8880 Rio San Diego Drive
Rio Vista Tower.
8th Floor Office 17
San Diego, CA 92108
Support: 1(800) 983-2613
Twitter: @RealTonyRocha (Verified Account)



PS: About My GeN4 Ultimate License (Ultimate License owners and sites does not appear listed at PTCPay as we don't need any license insertion to create as many site we want. Check their FAQ/TOS)

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----- Original Message -----
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Hello Tony,

Your download access is granted.

I see youíre in the US also, Iím in ********, Illinois.:-) 

Iím off to bed, itís about 2am here.

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Reply #262: Apr 16, 2011 01:57 PM

Great post - very honest! Certainly answers a lot of people's questions.


I for one will start promoting when the first Bux4Real members get paid - I see b4r already has over 40k members and one guy has over 700 DRs!
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Reply #263: Apr 16, 2011 07:10 PM

I've been doing some promoting myself.  Look forward to the future of this site!  Don't let us down Tony!!!  Smiley
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Reply #264: Apr 17, 2011 12:49 AM

Great post - very honest! Certainly answers a lot of people's questions.


I for one will start promoting when the first Bux4Real members get paid - I see b4r already has over 40k members and one guy has over 700 DRs!

I've been doing some promoting myself.  Look forward to the future of this site!  Don't let us down Tony!!!  Smiley

Someone will be severely disappointed  straightface
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Reply #265: Apr 17, 2011 02:39 PM

Someone will be severely disappointed  straightface
I think many will  Lips Sealed
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Reply #266: Apr 17, 2011 06:55 PM

silly buxers x) ...
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Reply #267: Apr 18, 2011 11:28 AM

As it seems there are no serious messages or questions lately, I'll close my participation here. Anyone interested in details or with doubts please go to our Forum or to PTCI when I'll be posting from time to time. Thanks a lot for your attention and time.
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Reply #268: Apr 18, 2011 11:39 AM

Dear Mr Tony, i am sorry to say but how do you want us to believe you after all this time have passed and not even 1 of the things you talked about have happen.
And you know why i dont believe it will happen (and here i will even assume you are a man of your word and everything you said so far is honest)?
Because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking and is not by firing people and hiring new one that will change, when you (main leader of the project) yourself have no clue what and how to do, and that is 75% guarantee that your project will fail.

I would really like to see you go ahead with your project and trust me i will be the 1st to swallow my words if in 6 months your site is going strong and comes to9 be a Industry leader, but looking at what have happen so far, that seems to not be the case.

Plus, there were a couple of important questions you left behind unanswered, in particular i would like you to reply to the  Why havent you made any mention at all of Bux4real in your twitter?
I mean if i had over 80k loyal followers, that "listen" to what i say, and is FREE, that would be one of the 1st places to spread the word about my new project, why havent you?
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Reply #269: Apr 19, 2011 12:59 PM

Plus, there were a couple of important questions you left behind unanswered, in particular i would like you to reply to the  Why havent you made any mention at all of Bux4real in your twitter?
I mean if i had over 80k loyal followers, that "listen" to what i say, and is FREE, that would be one of the 1st places to spread the word about my new project, why havent you?

He has I just linked this 1 page ago.  This was the first thing I looked for when he started talking about how many followers he had on Twitter since I'm a skeptic until something is proven - trust no one!!!  mrgreen
http://twitter.com/RealTonyRocha/favorites

There were a few others, but the favorites list is easier to find.
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